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Males vs Females: Is dA Biased?

Fri Aug 20, 2010, 7:55 PM
NOTE: I will post a poll to accompany this journal entry. Please take a moment to answer it and I would totally love to get comments either here on the poll :blowkiss:


Like most of you, i can do without drama. But there is an issue currently going on that I feel very strongly about and would like to know if anyone else feels as strongly about it or at least if you stand on one side of it or the other. It's the issue of how admin defines and responds to male artistic nudes vs. female artistic nudes. Some of you may have read the recent news article on this topic but for those who didn't, I've included a link. I've also included links to a couple of journal entries that comment on this issue as articulately as the news article. Additionally, there is a link to this faq FAQ #60: Do you allow "Adult", explicit sexual or pornographic content on deviantART? How about linking off site? "The official definition of what is considered pornographic material is detailed elsewhere in the FAQ." along with their link to FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be? giving dA's definition of pornography.  

Given the topic, I've decided not to post features as my favorites gallery is very biased and I don't really want to add the kinds of images of females that are in question. You will find some examples of them in the links I've provided. However, for fun, I have gone ahead and featured some fun stamps! Again, thanks to anyone who reads this and to those that take the separate poll and much hugs to any who take a moment to comment, either here or on the poll I've posted (agreeing or disagreeing).

LINKS


:iconlinawifeofl:Explicit Female Photography: Okay on dA!

:iconjustme1926: It Simply Amazes Me

:iconporcelainpoet: You stay classy dA


STAMPS

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  • Mood: Outraged
  • Reading: The Case Book of Sherlock Holmes
  • Watching: 48 Hours Mystery
  • Eating: Yogurt Covered Raisins
  • Drinking: Coke

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:iconemowolf26:
=EmoWolf26 Jun 6, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
i know there are younger users :P so porn might be "Art" God knows what way, but should stay on a porn art site.
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:iconangemuet:
wasn't referring to porn really ... my point was the inequality dA uses in determining what is porn and what isn't but thank you munchly for commenting!
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:iconemowolf26:
=EmoWolf26 Jul 22, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
:o this was a while ago, don't even remember posting. So sorry if i said something bad or stupid!
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:iconangemuet:
yeah i'm way behind, as usual, and no, you didn't! but i hate not responding in someway to every person who takes the time to comment so let me instead say thank you for commenting!!
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:iconemowolf26:
=EmoWolf26 Jul 22, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Very welcome! And thank you! :D :heart:
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:iconinspiredcreativity:
*inspiredcreativity Oct 23, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
The Greeks, Romans and Persians appreciated Male Beauty and celebrated it in art. They competed in al three empires in the nude. Oddly, to the Greeks and Romans, it was considered scandalous or obscene to expose the glans (head) of the penis in public. The height of male genital beauty was measure by the length of the foreskin. Unfortunate lads who were born with shorter foreskins, had to spend hours each day with stone weights tied to their foreskins to stretch them longer. In this way, it was typical that a man could have an erection in public, and never expose his glans.

When you look at late Renaissance Art and later, you see a very definite move away from male frontal nudity. Even now, male frontal nudity is rare in movies, while female frontal nudity is much more common. In a society that became completely male dominated, but also completely prudish and homophobic, male nudity came to be seen as ugly and obscene.

Any man admiring male beauty risked accusation of homosexuality, which carried a death sentence up to the 20th century, then after, just as good as dead, as you would be utterly destroyed. I therefore think that homophobia had a lot to do with how the male body has been perceived. Public male Frontal Nudity is still considered obscene by many.

HOW HOMOPHOBIA CHANGED THE WAY MALE NUDITY WAS SEEN BY SOCIETY



It is only relatively recently that it became legal to even sell images or magazines with images of male frontal nudity.

When it comes to the art world, even the few who used to dare painting male nudes in the 19th and early 20th century, would avoid aver showing the penis. See this painting of nude young men: The Bathers by Henry Scott Tuke [link], and Ruby, Gold and Malachite, painted in 1902 [link](1858–1929),_Ruby,_gold_and_malachite,_1902.jpg.

But in ART itself, we see erect penises in ancient Chinese and Japanese art, Greek, Roman, European, etc.

Here some art from the Qing Dynasty (1700s), China, showing erect penises:
A Beijing Hand Scroll of Young men engaged in sexual play [link]
Young men drinking, reading poetry, and making love. [link]

But even in the 1800s there was sex in art, even gay and Lesbian sex in art, as can be seen in:

Édouard-Henri Avril Illustrated & published Engraved books of sexual Images in the late 1800s showing many a hard penis, showing 2 Gay Scenes, a Bi scene, sex with a goat, sex with a dildo, Lesbian scenes, Orgies... Be sure not to visit his:
Illustrations to De Figuris Veneris: [link]Édouard-Henri_Avril#Illustrations_to_De_Figuris_Veneris

Or his Sonetti Lussuriosi: [link]Édouard-Henri_Avril#Sonetti_Lussuriosi_by_Pietro_Aretino.2C_1892 where he exaggerated the male phallus a bit much.
Or his Illustrations to Fanny Hill: [link]Édouard-Henri_Avril#Illustrations_to_Fanny_Hill_by_John_Cleland

Going back further in time in Art History to around 1520. You see lots of Erect Penises in the paintings of Giulio Romano, which were then engraved by Marcantonio Raimondi: Alas, all copies were hunted down & destroyed by the Catholic Church, but luckily Agostino Caracci was able to copy it. You can see the engravings here: [link]

The publication I Modi (The Ways), also known as The Sixteen Pleasures or under the Latin title De omnibus Veneris Schematibus, is a famous erotic book of the Italian Renaissance ( around 1520) in which a series of sexual positions were explicitly depicted in engravings. While the original edition was apparently completely destroyed by the Catholic Church, fragments of a later edition survive. The original illustrations were probably copied by Agostino Caracci, whose version survives. You can see them here: [link]

Even in the 1940s and 50s you saw erect penises in art, like this FALLEN ICARUS'
Neil Moore piece [link], Inclusing a blow up of the subject in hand: ,[link] & [link]

CONCLUSION: DA will not be rushing to to allow erect Cocks in Art, no doubt because they fear legal problems, and because the sight is a "family sight." They also do not want to become a Pornography site.

However, there is a big difference between obscenity, as seen by the law, pornography and simply showing erect penises in art.

It is one of these Zero tolerant policies that make little sense. Just because it is erect just not even necessarily mean a sexual situation. Erect penises are simply part of being a man and it happens on a regular basis, sexual or not. Depicting the BEAUTY OF THE HUMAN MALE should not be limited for non-sexual situations in art.

But don't expect DA to change their policy any time soon.

Matt
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:iconsangis:
I want to add the following:
I saw a pornographic deviation this afternoon.
It clearly showed a masturbative female act (I don't even feel like "diving into" further description).
So I tried to report it.
Then I was immediately rewarded with an information screen that
didn't only tell me that the deviation in question had been reported before several times,
it also said the following:

" First Report: Wed Mar 24 2010 18:13
Case Closed: Thu Mar 25 2010 02:01
Status: Invalid
Comment: Thank you for your report. A member of our staff has reviewed the deviation but has found that it does not meet the current official definition for "pornography" which is in use. Please remember that while this image might meet your own personal definition for "pornography", your personal view and official policy could differ in several areas. If you have any questions about how official policy currently defines "pornography" please check the deviantART FAQ which is located here; [link] "

I REFUSE to agree with the rulership of such a nonworthy legislation.
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:iconopalmist:
Needs more link so people can see and judge for themselves.
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:iconsangis:
This is the comment most deviations that survived reporting will feature. Because apparently, you can report an image for a limited number of times, and if it survives those, it will be "out of question", so to speak. I didn't feel like linking the image because I thought it didn't need any more exposure.
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